I am finally, finally getting to run Torchbearer! Very excited about this and I hope that the Dread Crypt won’t make my players to dismayed, as it looks to be quite a challenge.
However, there’s on thing that I couldn’t quite explain when rereading the adventure, that made me reconsider whether I’m understanding the rules of the game correctly, namely Monstrous Precedence and the possibility to appease the spirit.
In summary, the Monstrous Precedence guidelines on p. 176 of the SG puts any 1st level adventurers at about Precedence 0-1 compared to other monsters, perhaps 2 if “Leaders” is to be interpreted broadly. And on p. 252 of the SG Haathor-Vash is listed as having a Precedence of 4!
Considering that p. 82 of the SG limits convincing to equal and lower precedence (confirmed in the DH), wouldn’t that mean that the party shouldn’t be able to initiate convince/negotiate conflicts, which are detailed on p. 254 of the SG? Should I explain to them that this is a special case due to being a “demo” adventure, or should perhaps the initiative come from the spirit herself? Should I then use the +1s per Precedence level difference rule, despite it not being mentioned? Or is there something else I’ve missed?
And yes, the first things that comes to my mind is to Manipulate the out-of-touch spirit and convince it I’m a Warlord of equal Precedence, but that’s not something I expect from beginning players who don’ have the benefit of knowing the adventure